I believe the cut off is 25. I don’t know how they get there though. Some people don’t report their pregnancies.
Thank you @reednakita
I used two donors. I used 2 ICI vials of 8843 and 2 IUI vials of 410Z. I am not sure which one took. When the baby is born, if he is AB or B then 8843 worked. If he is A or O I won't know for sure until doing some genetic testing.
Hope this is it for you. What a good deal!
Yes, lol, For sure.
I might be able to figure it out with blood type. If the baby is AB or B, then I know for sure it is 8843. I am A+. If baby is O or A, then still could be either donor. Unfortunately, I don't know if I am homozygous A or heterozygous and we don't have that info on the donors either. So...DNA to the rescue! lol
I really want you to get your bfp.
I used 2 vials - ICI -8843
And 2 vials IUI - 410Z- did iui with his cause it was all he had left.
I am 16 1/2 weeks but I don’t know which donor won the race! Lol. Could be 8843 or might not.
I am not a carrier for 8843 and his one recessive disorder.
Also to note -I probably couldn’t carry a successful pregnancy without a better ovulation from Clomid.
Also I got pregnant the first try with 410Z but miscarried. Later with investigation we figured out it was most likely me not the sperm.
Glad you are getting your surge again. Is it possible you peaked or early or late when you weren't testing? Every now and then there's a woman that does peak but the urine test doesn't pick it up before it's gone. They call it false negatives.
Clomid can be tricky. My doctor had me take clomid (50mg) days 3-5. We didn't rely on finding the peak. I was scheduled for an transvaginal ultrasound day 12 to evaluate the follicles. The follicle was the perfect size. The nurse gave me the hcg trigger (Pregnyl-10000units) in my right arm. Within 36 hours later I ovulated. I went home and inseminated according to my planned timings)
He told me he really preferred to work clomid with the trigger (he likes them as a package deal). If my follicle hadn't been the right size I wouldn't have gotten the trigger. Anyway, it was the lucky month for a bfp.
-I had a bigger(right size follicle on clomid) I didn't get multiple follicles like some women do.
- had many multiple follicles without it but only one was close enough to being the right size and still not the proper size to release a mature egg.
I think I took Maca and vitex in the months I wasn't taking clomid to help regulate hormones without clomid. One month I had the proper day 14 ovulation, but I didn't TTC so who know if it would've worked.
Thank you all! :-) - Also got the bloodwork back. I am having a little boy!!!
I would also like to join. I am 13 weeks pregnant with a NW donor and am hoping to continue with a healthy term pregnancy. I have been pregnant twice before this but those pregnancies ended early in miscarriage. I am hoping to be a SMBC as this would be my first child. I am from northern Texas.
So I had my nuchal scan done. Baby looks great and was squirming around. Also....although a little preliminary....It's a boy!!! I am over the moon. Having a healthy pregnancy last this long feels like a dream come true on a long journey. He was also measuring a little ahead at 13w1d. I do have a subchorionic bleed to watch but it seems so small(2.75cm)my perinatologist said just take it easy and don't worry since I am not actually having any vaginal bleeding.
Gender will be confirmed with a blood test as I wanted to be as informed as possible on genetic concerns.
They give you two weeks at ovulation, which is why they measure my your last menstrual period. From the last menstrual period they tack on 280 days. That is how those classic pregnancy wheels work. If your periods are irregular they may use ultrasound to date you and give you a due date. My OB uses the last menstrual date and then compares it to an early ultrasound for measurement. With later ultrasounds the baby moves or grows and measures ahead making dating more difficult.
My due date coincides with my first ultrasound and my last menstrual period. If I go by my ovulation then my due date would be two days before the due date I got from my OB.
In the end it doesn't really matter they just use it to date you.
Even if you know when you inseminated and are pretty sure when you ovulate there is still a day or two fluctuation based on the fact that of the egg sitting there for 12 hours or so or the fact that implantation of the embryo are different among different women.
People that undergo IVF are the only ones that the doctor knows 100% their conception date. I believe they just add 266 to the date of transfer.
The embryo and later fetus has measurements it should be based on how many weeks it is.
It is just a system to standardize measurement to track embryonic/fetal growth.
At 12 weeks my baby measures a five days ahead. That could differ among ultrasound techs too and the fact that they (fetuses) squirm. lol
Best of luck! Congrats!
Wonderful update! A boy and a girl! How perfect!
Hope it all ends up being nothing and baby is fine. There should be a gestational sac by now. In one pregnancy at 5weeks and 5 days I had a heartbeat already. Maybe they can offer you an ultrasound for more reassurance and progesterone if you aren't already supplementing with it. It can be messy but the vaginal one really is absorbed better.
This is so exciting! Donor siblings! :-)
I think I remember having some cramps before I tested where I thought I was out cause they seemed like AF.
Test again with a FRER. I think one pregnancy I had a really faint + on blue dye test 11 dpo in the evening. Next day it was clear on FRER.
Thank you @tealbow
I just noticed your siggy. Congrats!!! So happy for you. Sending good vibes! :-)
Fingers crossed for you! I hope this is a sticky BFP that will result in a healthy baby!
My doctor won't even do Betas cause they can be so unreliable and cause anxiety. Try not to worry :-)
What a wonderful success story. Congrats!!!
IUI is a beating. I did it at home and spent a month gathering stuff for it. Lactated ringers, speculum, sterile gloves, sterile gauze, sterile catheters etc.
I only did it also last time because it was the only vials left for that donor and I wasn't going to lose most of the count just getting past my cervix. I was also starting meds and worried about hostile cervical mucus.
I think ICI is better without meds than IUI. ICI will live longer than IUI. Your timing has to be pretty spot on for an IUI insemination. Meds can make for hostile cervical mucus and lining issues. With that being said, I needed the meds personally for a better ovulation. Meds can also help control timing for IUI.
I had a natural cycle with a bfp and ICI inseminations. Ended in miscarriage. I did do Maca. It is an adaptogen and helps regulate hormones.
General rule of thumb on insemination. It is better if sperm is waiting for the egg. After the egg is released the surface starts changing within hours to become more hostile to sperm. (Making it harder for their heads to breakthrough barrier and release DNA).
So far so good. Yes that was the bean at the 8 week appointment. It was a super milestone for me as I had never made it that far before. My doctor said risk of miscarriage was less than 3% at that time.
Nausea has been terrible. I just put on sea bands yesterday and they seem to have helped.
Next appointment is not for another two weeks. So just trying to take it easy and not stress.
So much patience. Patience in TTC, in tww, and then pregnancy itself. I think I might be growing as a person. lol.
Sending you good vibes! Baby dust!
You had cramps and EWCM that is really important. Maybe possible. Temping helps to confirm ovulation. But I would just try not to worry and relax for the tww and write down everything you did. Hopefully it will work and you won't need your notes. If not you could try to make modifications for future attempts. Baby dust! I hope the end of two weeks bring you a bfp.
My doctor would encourage you that literature suggests it is really better to have sperm waiting for the egg.
ICI estimates are that they live 12-24hours (conservatively). They might live longer the potency they say drops off after 12 hours.
It sounds like you know what you should do. The choice you can live with.
My unmedicated bfp cycle I tested at 7am + and really dark not beginning of surge but was pretty sure I might have had a + test during the night at like 2am or something while I was asleep. By that evening my surge was gone. I was drinking a lot of water due to summer time heat in Texas (August) . Usually it(surge) sticks around at least 24 hours on the strips but not that time.
I went ahead and inseminated two hours later (OPK) for the first time. Then again 6 hours later I think and again 8 hours after that. I had ovulation pains during that time but then the next day too I believe.
I got pregnant but miscarried not really because of insemination timing (My doctor insisted timing was fine) but because of follicle maturity and possible clotting issues I am 95% confident that that was the reason. In short sperm seemed to not be problem.
Ovulations pains are tricky... you can get them before during or after.
It is possible to ovulate soon after detecting your surge from OPK.
What timings were you planning? 12 and 24 with two vials? ICI?
8weeks1day measuring ahead. Heart rate in 160s. All is going well as I am just trying to relax and take it day by day and think positive that all will continue to go well.
Thank you all for your support. TTC and pregnancy takes a lot of patience and has the potential for heartbreak as well as fulfillment of hopes and dreams. I wish baby dust for others on this journey.
i used these but not early. I think I used them starting 18 dpo. Used Frer and Cheap Walmart tests first. Note: The line doesn't progress darker nicely not like FRER and other tests. My 7 week preg pee test was the same as my 5 1/2 week preg test. I figure it's part of the dye not being great at distinguishing higher amounts of hcg. Not reassuring if you wanted a gradual darker line for peace of mine from previous miscarriage. I started to freak out at first and then realized that on forums they talked about how the line doesn't become significantly darker later.
I have used the clinical guard before (from Amazon) and been pretty happy with them. No evap lines early. Depressingly a negative is a negative no false hopes.
I almost bought the clinical guard and at the last minute decided I would try the wondfo ones from before.
Re: BFP Charts with implantation dip/triphastic--Anyone?? (1 replies, posted in Trying to Conceive)
Sounds promising! I hope this is your month!
Here is my last BFP chart. I didn't chart in the very beginning (first few days) because I didn't want to be neurotic and then I changed my mind and started charting cause I couldn't help myself. I had a dip 6dpo. I quit temping once I got a few bfps.
You can check it out with the link.
Re: At home ICI.. when to move on to something else? (7 replies, posted in Trying to Conceive)
12 and 24 is great. If I had two vials I would definitely pick those times!
Fingers crossed for you! Wishing you two the best! Baby dust I hope you get a bfp! :-)
Re: At home ICI.. when to move on to something else? (7 replies, posted in Trying to Conceive)
It is a hard to tell because there are so many variables (anatomy, cervical mucus, follicle size, hormones, sperm, possible immune issues).
I imagine your timing was fine in my mind. The fasted swimmers they say can get there in 45 minutes the slower ones take hours at 12 hours supposedly ICI lose potency.
I did acupuncture before my inseminations, juicing fresh vegetables for extra nutrients, and yoga.
Garlic( I would eat a clove a day in the week of ovulation makes for copious mucus) , grapefruit, pomegranate and lots of hydration and alkaline vegetables for cervical mucus. Extra progesterone after 2dpo for a boost.
As for advice I imagine you have to look at your financial picture. Would you prefer to spend on more vials for at home inseminations?
Or look into assistance with a doctor or RE to check and make sure all is happening as it should in your body also an investment.( I spent over $1500 on testing)
Even with normal ovulating cycles with proper timing where sperm meets egg there is only a 20 percent chance that will result in pregnancy.
My last cycle that resulted in a bfp (fingers crossed it continues to go well) my doctor told me it wasn't common for it to take on the first medicated cycle ( clomid + trigger). I performed the inseminations ( I did ICI and IUI) he provided the clomid and ultrasound monitoring for the trigger shot.
My follicle wouldn't have released a properly mature egg without clomid assistance. In previous cycles I always ovulated on my own but without viable pregnancies due to an immature egg being released (we think). If it hadn't worked I think I was going to wait a few more months to save money again and try one more time at home but with just two vials but medication and ultrasound monitoring with my doctor again.
I hope it just works for you the next cycle and you get a bfp with a healthy full term pregnancy.
Yay! Smiley! Sending baby dust thoughts your way!
Keep testing multiple times a day and make sure she isn't drinking too much...
My first time ovulation was a day late. I got the smiley a day later than I expected. Wonder if it had something to do with ordering over a grand worth of swimmers? lol.
I think they only charge $15 extra for each day you hold on to the dewar. I would hold onto it and keep testing.
I had one where 11dpo in the am it was negative and I cried. 11dpo in the evening faint positive and 12dpo bfp. You aren't out until AF shows.
Thank you RedHeather! I had first appointment at 6weeks1day today. Heartbeat was about 130. I am hopeful this rainbow baby sticks!
Earliest I have gotten a bfp is 11dpo.
Wait and test again. :-)
I usually would use the Wondfos like OkayBaby suggested. Wondfos every time I peed and Clear Blue to confirm.
I think the first time trying I didn't have wondfos and I was burning through just clearblues. It was pretty expensive. Careful drinking too much water while testing for that lh surge. But after you get it drink like crazy cause it helps your cervical mucus.
If you like your timing go for it.
If I only had two vials I would do 12 and 24 if I was sure I caught the beginning of my surge but that is just me.
If you are temping this cycle ,you can see when your temp starts to rise and between the +OPK and temp shift get a better idea of when you ovulated from the temp shift. (Temping is a pain and there can be variations based on sleep and etc. I do it, but a lot of women find it too tedious.
My non medicated cycle right before this bfp, it looked like I ovulated within 24 hours between cramping and a temperature shift. I am 32 if that helps.
Whatever you decide, it is an exciting time and I hope the end of the tww brings you a positive! :-)
With my two bfps- First ended in miscarriage - about 2 hours after very dark positive OPK in early am (I think a first positive happened while I was sleeping) then about 6 hours post opk. and then about 15 hours after opk. That cycle I had a short LH surge it only was in my system for less than 12 hours.
With this last one( praying it continues to go well) I had the trigger shot so it was different. I had four vials to play with. I didn't want to pay storage fees and wasn't sure on when I would try again.
One vial ici 12 hours before trigger cause I wasn't sure if I would get the trigger shot. ( Dr. said said if my follicle wasn't the right size he wouldn't give it)
One vial iui about 10 hours post trigger
One vial iui 24 hour post trigger
One vial ici 33 hours post trigger
If I only had 2 vials I would have done 12 and 24 hours. The other timings were because I had the vials.
I have had a cycle where I never got a flashing smiley or high fertility and then went straight to peak. It just means you get your estrogen surge with your lh surge instead of a little before.
Good luck! Hope this one is the one.
I wouldn't worry about the high days. You certainly haven't missed it if AF is still here. Lots of women get a lot of high days. Before clomid I would usually just get two or so. One time I didn't get one at all but might have been due to not using first morning urine. On clomid once I started testing I was getting high days.
Just watch for the peak or lh surge.
I always have the dewar there 2-3 days before I need it. The last time I ordered it it had to sit at UPS due to non weekend delivery and Christmas holidays. It stayed frozen and it had already been out a week before I used it everything was still nice and frozen.
I think I thought was going to need it CD12 and had it there by CD10. So maybe have it there at least two days before you think she might ovulate?
Hope all goes well. :-)
Is she getting a high with the clearblue opk? I usually confirm with those.
Once I got a darker second line on a wondfo two days before the legit surge. But it was an anomaly and the clearblue was negative.
Is she taking clomid? That can make you test high fertility sooner. I got lots of days of high fertility on clomid.
Anyways the high fertility days aren't as important as actually showing your positive lh surge or your peak (non blinking smiley) . I would use the wondfo opk starting a few days before I thought I would need them and then I would use a the clear blue digital and had a Clear Blue fertility monitor for the actual confirmation of a smiley and the old fertility monitory would show the egg icon. I would test at least twice a day when it was close to ovulation.
How are her other signs? Egg White Mucus? Cervical Position and open/closed ness if she or you can feel it? How long are her cycles usually?
The dewar will keep for 14 days.
Does any of that help?
I had a true bfp 11 dpo with the tests getting continually darker. I tested out my trigger got a really faint positive 8dpo and slightly more less positive 9 dpo and a negative 10 dpo. I cried (alot)because I thought the 9dpo test wasn't the trigger but a really early faint bfp.
Through my recurrent loss testing (2 miscarriages) everything has looked good with the exception of my 12 day follicle study and an ANA+ test. All other clotting stuff was negative. My mature follicle measures a little smaller than they like for day 12. It also was more oval then perfectly round. My doctor wanted me to try 50mg clomid 3-7 for a better follicle. He thought that was why I miscarried that the egg wasn't maturing properly.
I did the clomid and juiced pomegranates in the weeks before my 12 ultrasound to help my lining. The dewar came in 2 days before ultrasound. I did one ICI vial 12 hours before my appointment because it was ICI and I was afraid I might ovulate within 12 hours of the trigger. Might have wasted a vial but maybe there were some survivors who knows! At my ultrasound my follicle was measuring as it should and perfectly round > than 20mm. He said my uterus and trilaminar and my lining was nice and thick.
They gave me the trigger shot and he said to use my frozen sperm in the next 12-36 hours. All my inseminations I did at home.
I did an IUI @ 11ish hours post trigger but it was really an ICI because I only got it in the cervix.
Next insemination was @ 24 hours post trigger and it was a true IUI in uterus. (If you have ever had an HSG or IUI you get a specific feel when you reach the uterus.)
@33 hours another ICI plain intravaginal insemination.
I had ovulation type cramps starting 12-and then 24 and 30 hoursish. At 36 hours exacty I felt what was that one sided ovulation pain with back pain. I am not sure if that was ovulation (actual moment of egg release) or post ovulation pain.
I tried not to be crazy during tww.
I started progesterone 2dpo per my doctors orders and switched to vaginal progesterone at about 17dpo. I have been on 81mg baby aspirin(he told me to do the baby aspirin even if my clotting stuff was not normal) since the beginning of this cycle and 2.5mg prednisone since 14dpo.
I am 5 weeks today and have an appointment in a little over a week and hopefully will see a healthy heartbeat. I am hoping, praying, and bargaining with the divine that this is my BFP that will result in a healthy term pregnancy with a healthy baby.
I am appreciative for any good vibes and babydust sent my way.
I have no advice or expertise with this, but I hope this next transfer is the one that works for you.
Praying for this one to be your successful bfp!
I am not on the FB group. FB itself overwhelms me and gives me unrealistic expectations about how life should be so I am not good about getting on it. Just one of those areas I am giving myself a little grace right now. lol
I like it when the banks put the pics baby pics up there without charging you. Before I found NW cryobank, I had looked at ones that had the pics.
Definitely including all other options makes sense and if I need to try again I will consider the KD too. Thank you for sharing info.
Thank you for sharing your experience with your KD. Do the KD's let you know if they are CMV+? I had my doctor test me and surprisingly (I used to study this virus in graduate school, and most people have it!) I came up negative and I would like to stay that way due to potential effects on the baby.