1 Last edited by Bohemian (2012-11-04 08:29:51)

Topic: What does a long LH surge mean? (PLEASE HELP) *updated*

*update* today's temp was .7° higher than the last couple days and the 2nd highest for the cycle so I believe I o'ed yesterday. Just waiting a couple more days to confirm.

I have posted a lot about opks the last couple days and im sorry for that but now im getting a little worried...

i have had consistent +opks for 3+ days. i have tested every time i pottied since cd 11 (it is now 1am cd 16) and since about noon on cd 13 i have had only one negative opk and it was on a wondfo that i just got in the mail today and tried out with my regular opks which was positive. the neg wondfo kinda gives me a little relief because it makes me think that my regular opks are just more sensitive and since im temping ill know when i o and should be able to figure out my timing. i can say that the opks started on the fence, became super positive, and are now on the fence again like i caught the very beginning and will catch the very end.

im worried because i googled (its the devil) and ive seen words like multiple eggs, pcos, and mc so yeah ive freaked myself out. i am currently working on my 4th day of +opks and none of these things sound good to me. three ppl ive hugged in the last 12hrs have all said "wow youre warm" and personally im freezing so thats a good sign for me. its good cus im usually warm to the touch for others and personally freezing when i have a fever, i dont i checked, but that could mean when i wake up in 7hrs i will have a spike hopefully saying i oed cd 15 (which would line up with the cramps i had). i still have to wait two more days to confirm o even with a spike in the morning and for all i know my next opk will be negative further confirming o. but if i oed yesterday i shouldnt have gotten a +opk 20min ago should i? ff says i o cd16 which will mean i could have more +opks in my near future confusing me even more. if i go by my first +opk (cd13) and i didnt o cd 15 but today cd16 what kinda timing am i looking at? did i catch the surge too early? isnt that the point, to catch it as soon as possible, or could i just be losing my mind and wasting you ladies time? i will be updating as soon as i know anything else. any advice or info would be great thanks.

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Re: What does a long LH surge mean? (PLEASE HELP) *updated*

I have a long LH surge when I'm not taking fertility drugs (clomid or Gonal f). If I use FMU with a line test it is almost always positive. Some people just have more LH.

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Re: What does a long LH surge mean? (PLEASE HELP) *updated*

shauna2710 wrote:

I have a long LH surge when I'm not taking fertility drugs (clomid or Gonal f). If I use FMU with a line test it is almost always positive. Some people just have more LH.

I'm so glad you said that cus I poas at 5am and if was negative, poas at 11am (fmu) and its positive. If the next one is negative I'm stopping and counting today as negative.

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Re: What does a long LH surge mean? (PLEASE HELP) *updated*

Well... just in general, it is said to only go by your first positive opk.   Also, I have read  that when you feel o pains doesn't necessarily always coincide with when you ovulate... The pains could be a little before, during, or after ovulation.

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Re: What does a long LH surge mean? (PLEASE HELP) *updated*

I would only test until you get one OPK+ and then track your temp and other secondary signs like CM to confirm O timing.  The length of your LH surge isn't important... It's the time after your initial surge that you O that matters.

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6 Last edited by preciousgift (2012-11-04 09:17:31)

Re: What does a long LH surge mean? (PLEASE HELP) *updated*

Here is something I found from wikipedia re O pains-  the o pains don't always occur at the same time you ovulate-  read below...

------Causes

Mittelschmerz is believed to have a variety of causes:

    Follicular swelling: The swelling of follicles in the ovaries prior to ovulation. While only one or two eggs mature to the point of being released, a number of follicles grows during the follicular phase of the menstrual cycle (non-dominant follicles atrophy prior to ovulation). Because follicles develop on both sides, this theory explains mittelschmerz that occurs simultaneously on both sides of the abdomen.[3]

    Ovarian wall rupture: The ovaries have no openings; at ovulation the egg breaks through the ovary's wall. This may make ovulation itself painful for some women.[3]

    Fallopian tube contraction: After ovulation, the fallopian tubes contract (similar to peristalsis of the esophagus), which may cause pain in some women.[1]

    Smooth muscle cell contraction: At ovulation, this pain may be related to smooth muscle cell contraction in the ovary as well as in its ligaments. These contractions occur in response to an increased level of prostaglandin F2-alpha, itself mediated by the surge of luteinizing hormone (LH).[4]

    Irritation: At the time of ovulation, blood or other fluid is released from the ruptured egg follicle. This fluid may cause irritation of the abdominal lining.[1][3]

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Re: What does a long LH surge mean? (PLEASE HELP) *updated*

Like others have said, I only count the first positive. This cycle I got my positive on Monday night and continued to get positives until Friday. It's normal to have many days of positives. It's also normal to not get several days. Everyone is different.

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Re: What does a long LH surge mean? (PLEASE HELP) *updated*

That's great about the temp rise! 

Also, as someone who barely has ever experience any cramping at ovulation, I've done my fair share of reading to see what I was missing.  Just like everything else, it's a tool that is open to interpretation.   roll

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Re: What does a long LH surge mean? (PLEASE HELP) *updated*

I can only again share the fact, as others have, that only the first postive OPK counts. There is no reason to continue to test after that positive is received. This is why it is imperative to truly find one brand that you decide to rely on whether it be smiley OPK (certainly the most used, especially as recommended by OB and RE) or another type/brand. The length of your detected LH surge ultimately means nothing in the realm of timing your inseminations, they should all be based off of that first positive.

As someone else and I mentioned on another one of your posts, while BBT charting is successful in helping some women narrow down the window in which they ovulate after a +OPK is received, it is not a 100% acurate method, not even close. If you are truly concerned with narrowing down the timing window in which you ovulate and more so confirming you do indeed ovulate the ONLY way to determine that with certainty is bloodwork and an ultrasound to determine follicle presence and growth.

If you do not intend to go further with testing then I would simply stick to true and tried methods used by others (like me) who conceived on this forum and time your inseminations anywhere from at +OPK to 48hrs after that, with the average being around 24hrs after (this is the timing I used to conceive a total of 4 times, two miscarriages included).

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Re: What does a long LH surge mean? (PLEASE HELP) *updated*

Maybe those OPKs are just too sensitive for you. Try a different brand. I have PCOS, It's not bad that I need meds for it and I still ovulate on my own. There are only some OPK brands that I can use though. I have gotten 3 days of a positive OPK and usually my body will ovulate on the 3rd day after first positive OPK, and maybe a few times on the 2nd day within a year. Just keep temping and wait for that temp rise. Can you post your chart again?

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11 Last edited by HopingForBFP (2012-11-04 11:48:12)

Re: What does a long LH surge mean? (PLEASE HELP) *updated*

I found your chart and looks like you ovulated yesterday. At least you know that you usually ovulate around CD16 and CD15. So if you ovulated on the 3rd day after getting your first positive OPK, try thinking of a timing based on that. I Ovulated on the 3rd day after positive OPK with Sydnee, and I did 22/31 hours after positive OPK, with this pregnancy, I did 30 hours. But not sure if that will work for you. Did you check your cervix this cycle?

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Re: What does a long LH surge mean? (PLEASE HELP) *updated*

i would recommend for you to stay away from lined tests...maybe the simpler smiley test would work best for you and would certainly be a clear + or -. also, do not test with FMU. you have to skip your FMU and use the 2nd "pee" of the day. then test every 4 hours. inseminate based on your initial +opk. good luck!

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13 Last edited by Bohemian (2012-11-04 12:56:11)

Re: What does a long LH surge mean? (PLEASE HELP) *updated*

HopingForBFP wrote:

I found your chart and looks like you ovulated yesterday. At least you know that you usually ovulate around CD16 and CD15. So if you ovulated on the 3rd day after getting your first positive OPK, try thinking of a timing based on that. I Ovulated on the 3rd day after positive OPK with Sydnee, and I did 22/31 hours after positive OPK, with this pregnancy, I did 30 hours. But not sure if that will work for you. Did you check your cervix this cycle?

i was thinking 30hrs myself. the opks are still positive but im not gonna waste anymore opks. i ordered some wondfos and they seem to be less sensitive and are neg with the same samples at the same time so i think those will work better for me. next month i think im gonna do both just to see when one will be positive vs the other just so i know which one i will use when i insem. i think if anything im just over thinking all of this. next cycle is my mock cycle with a mock ici of preseed and all so i feel like this is my last chance to mess up you know. i cant believe how fast this is all going. i feel like i need more cycles and at the same time im ready for that bfp. not getting my hopes up tho, ive been down this ttc road b4. emfamil is still sending me stuff and it is a constant reminder that my angel baby never made it. i should have a nine month old right now but im healed emotionally physically and spiritually and ready to try again on my own. thank you hopingforbfp and all you ladies for being there for me and answering my questions. you all mean so much.

(edited cus i was typing and watching the colts play miami so typos were bound to happen lol. im a hoosier Go Colts!)

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